High IQ: Not as good for you as you thought | ScienceBlogs
Learning Strategies Outperform IQ in Predicting Achievement While the correlation between prior SAT scores and semester GPA was. Kuncel, N. R., Hezlett, S. A., & Ones, D. S. (). Academic performance, career potential, creativity, and job performance: Can one construct. At the level, results generally implied additivity and linearity instead of interaction and thresholds. The relationship between creativity and achievement was.
Log in to post comments By roseindigo not verified on 07 Jul permalink Tom B, aren't you just committing the anecdotal version of bad sampling and reasoning that Agnostic describes above. Log in to post comments By Moonenite not verified on 07 Jul permalink "Tom B, aren't you just committing the anecdotal version of bad sampling and reasoning that Agnostic describes above. My point was that maybe "success" means different things to different people. Log in to post comments By Tom B not verified on 08 Jul permalink Shouldn't we be asking the Marine Corps how to cultivate self-discipline and applying it as a component of kids' and adults education?
It would also be interesting to break-it down into learnable skills, such as goal-setting, emotional self-regulation, working memory By Alvaro not verified on 08 Jul permalink Alvaro I don't know if Marine Corps discipline would help, especially with high-IQ individuals are you familiar with Swofford's Jarhead, or the movie made from same? I don't think slamming people's heads against chalkboards is healthy, plus intelligent people will just find more creative ways of rebelling, a la the one Marine who shot the Bedouin's camels.
Log in to post comments By David Group not verified on 08 Jul permalink This isn't particularly surprising to me: I consider myself to be quite bright and have consistently tested quite well on several measures of 'IQ'. However, I know I'm as lazy as sin and that is what is to blame for my lack luster performance at Uni and work. Of course this is only a correlational study and can be classed as no more than an interesting statements about eighth-grade kids. Now, if they had administered some sort of educational intervention to increase self-discipline and measured GPA in both high and low IQ individuals it would have made for a more interesting study.
Although the write up seems to suggest that self-discipline is a stable innate trait not subject to variation across time in a similar manner to IQso one wonders if such an intervention would actually work Log in to post comments By alephsmith not verified on 08 Jul permalink This research sounds like a variant of the work by Lewis Terman.
That research focused on asking the question whether a high academic IQ predicts high achievement in the real world. After conducting longitudinal research on children with IQs greater than "genius" intelligencethe research revealed that participants could be classified into two groups: The unsuccessful "C" group were earning slightly above the average income; only a handful had obtained professional degrees; many were having issues in their personal lives, were less healthy, had higher rates of alcoholism, and were three times as likely to divorce as the "A" group.
The main conclusion was that high academic IQ is not the primary determinant of success. The research reported here seems to arrive at a similar conclusion, vis-a-vis the stronger correlation between self-discipline and GPA and a weaker correlation between IQ and GPA.
My only two data points are: I am not a military or violence fan by any means, but I was pretty impressed by their descriptions. I fully agree that we should find better ways to train self-discipline without aggressive paraphernalia. But we probably can learn something from what they do-which I am sure is more refined that slamming people's heads.
By Alvaro not verified on 08 Jul permalink This study is of low value as the time frame is way too short, and it only looks at very limited and conventional standards of academic achievment. If they follow these kids over several decades to see how their overall lives turn out, it could be a very useful study.
My bet is that self-discipline correlates to a fair degree of conventional success, but that it doesn't correlate strongly to outstanding original achievement by itself. Log in to post comments By Obdulantist not verified on 09 Jul permalink "the cognitive simulations that pilots use to improve their attention allocation strategies in high workload attention demands.
Is there a link somewhere you could post?
I wouldn't have thought the marines covered much beyond how to shoot at stuff. But he is also an eager-to-please conformist. A high Conformism Quota is important to achieve good school grades regardless of intelligence and actual learning.
By Martin R not verified on 09 Jul permalink You don't need to be particularly intelligent to do well at school - it's not like it's that hard. Log in to post comments By Dunc not verified on 10 Jul permalink Hello Tom B, Here you can read an interview with Daniel Gopher, one of the key scientists behind such training http: G and Battiste V. Proceedings of the Human Factors Society 26th Meeting pp.
Behavior Research Methods, 37, Fine-Grained data acquisition and agent oriented tools for distributed training protocol research: By Alvaro not verified on 10 Jul permalink Roseindigo, I've known quite a few people with very high IQs, and most of them were messed up pretty badly by school. When someone is forced, for the first 20 years of his life, to wait out the clock in boring rooms while being "taught" things that he alread knows, the end result is usually not a highly motivated individual.
Usually, you get someone who is good at amusing himself and at waiting out the clock.
- IQ Predicts Academic Achievement
Log in to post comments By Jay not verified on 10 Jul permalink I think that there is some truth to what the study is showing. I am a year ten student, and have been to various schools over the last few years. Each one has shown to some extent the results above. People with higher amounts of self-discipline do excell.
I have seen this at every school I have been to, with every school age group. It's even obvious in my family. We all have high IQ's, so there's nothing there that could change things, but when you look at self discipline, it all changes. My older sister, for example, sits up late at night, gets all her work done, and works through her weekends.
I'm a bit lazier. I go to bed early, don't finish assignments, and use my weekends for rest.
And, suprisingly enough, she's getting better marks. Log in to post comments By Ellen not verified on 11 Jul permalink i am guessing that to understand a particular subject well, one needs to have a certain amount of IQ AND a certain amount of decipline.
Log in to post comments By sankha not verified on 16 Jul permalink If high IQ kids learn in elementary school that they don't have to work very hard to do well, why are we surprised when, in middle school the really smart ones haven't learned to work very hard.
In reality I am a genius. So I can conclude that all Tests which are meant to judge your IQ aren't wrong. Log in to post comments By Linda not verified on 20 Dec permalink "That research focused on asking the question whether a high academic IQ predicts high achievement in the real world. Our ubiquitous social preponderance of linking money to success may help explain why there aren't enough skilled laborers around!
Time to grow up as a society. Yes, I have a good IQ, yes I got a good degree, yes I was bored half of the time at University, and yet I gained a minuscule percentage of my life success because of it. Log in to post comments By Bob Chippens not verified on 29 Sep permalink Has it crossed anyone's mind as to whether GPA is a good measure of a person's value? Maybe being told you're a "C" or "D" student your whole life is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I cannot imagine that a variety of children can be grouped together for 8 hours a day and rated on a variety of activities and that the average rating is the child's value to society.
And does no one recall that IQ tests were created decades ago to determine if a person were mentally handicapped? So having a "high IQ" as measured by these test, just means you're good at doing what mentally retarded people can't do?!
You're a champion speed-walker! I want to bash a lot of these comments I come from the perspective of having a good deal of military training experience for a civillian! Let me first say, that it is no joke to be ADD in the military! I've also got the non-western concept of timeliness built in, I rarely get things done on time. Am I good at problem-solving?
Yeah, you give me a set of facts that have the answer built-in to them, I can give you the answer, like in tests. Beyond the machine-like obedience that all you IQ-snobs imagine that the military instills in you, they instill a concept of professionalism, of preparedness, of leadership.
This means that, when you are tasked with doing something, you consider the chain of events that goes into making it happen, and thus must plan and work accordingly. This can be built-in at a young age. As far as I can tell by my experience with people, you need to hold a person to objective standards, or an intimate understanding of the inner-workings of their brain.
Given that the latter is damn near impossible I remember thinking pretty complicated things as a child, it's just that their communication skills are not as well-developed, their common-sense knowledge of the world not-all-there, that is why they ever seem to be dumb. They lack wisdom, to be sure, but they can think and understand a lot. You think a 5-year old can't pour their own milk? That oh, it's too heavy, their clumsy hands will spill?
Well, if you make them do it, and they know they'll get in trouble for spilling, they'll concentrate and get the job done. Yeah, you have to punish your kid, but the more you baby them, the more like a baby they will be as they grow older. If you want them to be able to manage a company as an adult, then they should be able to wake up, get ready and feed themselves in elementary school. It's not nearly impossible; you're just forcing them to concentrate and take responsibility for themselves, which will pay off later.
I think I got off easy as the third of 3 kids I can recall an instance where I spilled a cup at Pizza Hut, but for some reason, my older sister was tasked with cleaning it up. I was old enough to recognize my fault, and probably old enough to clean up most of it, but I was underestimated and lost a chance to learn responsibility.
But you probably couldn't tell by looking at me. Moral of the story: Raise the bar regularly, accept their occasional snafu's, and last, but most importantly, hold them responsible for what you task them to do. If you show that authority figures are BSing to them, they will feel that way about all the rest of the figures they encounter.
It certainly can work. My hope, however, is to wean myself off of it with exercise and meditation. I found that, getting off the meds after taking them a long time, I still had a lot of memory of working hard, and this got me through a few weeks.
But I would get tired I would stop listening to people after a few words, I could barely get a few words out myself without losing my train of thought.
But this, too, fades For me, it ultimately comes down to practice. If no, this part of my brain "atrophies" and does not get developed. What do they find?
Correlation Between IQ and Success
This notion of intelligence estimating a student's ability to succeed in school assumes the temporal precedence of intelligence to achievement. Regardless, the present study supports the view that intelligence, as measured by the VC [Verbal Comprehension] and PO [Perceptual Organization] dimensions of the WISC-III, influences or is related to future achievement whereas reading and math achievement do not appear to influence or are not related to future psychometric intelligence.
This temporal precedence is consistent with the theoretical position of Jensen  that intelligence bears a causal relationship to achievement and not the other way around. Intelligence and educational achievement Before getting on to the study, a brief word about Dr.
The Relationship Between IQ and educational achievement, jo by Anje Delport on Prezi
He is the current badass of differential psychology. Because of his background degrees in medicine and psychologyhe is able to investigate psychometric, chronometric, genetic, and neurological aspects often concurrently of both intelligence and personality look at the range on his vita.
As if that were not enough, he has challenged the whole field of differential psychology by obtaining multiple population level, longitudinal data sets.
So instead of trying to infer from a sample a few hundred to the target population, he is gathering population level samples of thousands of individuals. Deary's study looked at how cognitive ability measured at age 11 predicted academic achievement at age Unsurprisingly, the IQ-Achievement correlations for the Sciences are around.
Surprisingly, for practical fields e. Here is a pic of the correlation table: The correlation between the latent factors was. While general cognitive ability and academic achievement are not isomorphic, the former is necessary for the latter, while the converse is not necessarily true. Spearman suggested this more than a century ago, and, to quote the last sentence in Deary's work, These data establish the validity of g for this important life outcome. The g factor and the design of education.
The relationship between learning and intelligence.